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Vitamin D - miracle drug
Elizabeth J 44788824-Jul-22
Laying in the sun for 10 -15 minutes a day is the best way to get enough. When ultraviolet rays hit your skin, that light triggers the production of vitamin D. Skin cancer should not be a risk for 2 to 3 times a week between 10 and 3 p.m. I have Irish heritage, so I am guilty of avoiding the sun.
Some symptoms of vitamin D deficiency can include muscle weakness, pain, fatigue and depression. I just read a recent report stating there is now a connection with dementia.
Do you take vitamin D? A friend had a call from the pathology company saying she was dangerously low and needed to go to the pharmacy immediately and start taking one a day
I decided that I would take one a day over the winter period. I had been having trouble with my feet, sort of like gout, but not quite as bad, and it was in the opposite foot to where I usually get gout. Lo and behold, the foot is almost 100% better. Could it be the vitamin D I wonder? It is probably time to book a visit with my GP.
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  • Not sure kiddo but I would run that past gp.
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    • Interesting post,I just read earlier today on The New York Times which came up on my Google news feed, that taking vitamin D supplements are now a waste of time because they do nothing to prevent bone fractures or protect you from other diseases such as osteoporosis .You are better off just getting it from your diet and the sun.Off course I am not sure if I entirely believe this research.
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      • It does make one wonder. Laying in the sun, I am sure does a great deal of good, but just the right amount. I am sure we all notice a wonderful energised feeling after sun baking for a short while. It is a bit scary, though, the thought of the slight chance of skin cancer. I will google that and have a read.
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      • KatzeyeElizabeth J 447888
        I very rarely go out in the sun because of being photosensitive to it unfortunately so you could say I'm a bit like a vampire lol...My doctor also told me because of my genetic make up I am a prime candidate for skin cancer- fair skin and blue eyed with Scottish/Irish/Swedish heritage.
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      • I am English/Irish but I think you are slightly worse off than me with the Swedish. I am 70 next year and no skin cancers yet. Only one of my three brothers has had one removed from his head and we live in Australia. Just about all my dad's family of nine sibling have had skin cancers removed. Maybe it is because they were low in vitamin D. As the saying goes everything in moderation - even sunshine. It is absolutely essential though.
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      • KatzeyeElizabeth J 447888
        Yes possibly could be or you are just very lucky and have nice healthy genes :)
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    • I suffer low vitamin D and have M.S. and I get Vitamin D shots every year it does help.
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      • Yes please stay in the sun for as long as you like, it keeps me employed as I am a "skin cancer surgeon"!!!!
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        • funny but for all the good it does for others, I can't take it because I have loads of it in my body, and if I take tablets I come down with a full on body rash, and can't stop scratching
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          • You spend a lot of time in the sun then Imperia.
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          • Imperia SElizabeth J 447888
            I was born with the problem, too much D, not enough iron so therefore can't have them just in case I have to have a blood transfusion
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          • mary cImperia S
            Gosh is that quite a rare thing Imperia? My husband has a conditon that caused him to have too much iron- called haemachromatosis. He had to give blood to get down to normal levels as too much iron in the blood can cause serious illness. Weirdly since his stroke his iron levels have been normal.
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          • Imperia Smary c
            Tellesemia for me
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          • mary cImperia S
            I have never heard of that!
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          • Imperia Smary c
            its known as the Medeterian Curse, because during WW11, both Germans and Italians, bombed Malta to the brink of starvation that all women ended up Enemic, and all children born during those days and well into the 1960's esp 1950's (me) ended up with this problem
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          • So true my mother came from Malta and suffer enemic and I was born in the 60s and have health problems.
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        • have been taking Vit D once a month as prescribed by endocrinologist for a few years as well as having walked most days for 30-60monutes
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          • I take a womens vita gummies multivitamin for health and wellbeing, energy and immune system function, also caltrate bone and muscle with vitamin D. You have to be careful with vitamin D. It's dangerous if too much is taken.
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            • Yes it has been another scare campaign with being out in the sun. I have very fair skin and turn into a lobster in half an hour.So I avoid the sun, go out early morning or late afternoon. I won't use sun screen, it's just another chemical. I do take vitamin D supplements on a daily basis. I've stopped listen to the news, it's just a bunch of articles that are geared to make people panic. I'm sick of being told how to live, what to eat, when to fart...to hell with it all.
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              • Well said !!! Totally agree!!
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            • I'm taking as part of an Immune supplement in the desperate hope it will somehow protect me from Covid.
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              • Nothing protects you wholly from covid..but being vaxed lessens the impact
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              • Mary...an immunologist (thats a big word) told me that high levels of vitamin D in your systems is possibly a VERY strong defense against the current covid strains....I am living in a house where one person got covid...I lived with them for seven days...then a second person stayed in the house for a few days...and ALSO caught covid...and I survived ....no covid at all ...I spend a couple of hours everyday out in the sun....
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              • phew..was worried where you was haha. Thought beer bottling had consumed you instead of other way around. Yes i have been desperately reading all article's i can tho scientific studies are bamboozling to digest so i go straight to the summary haha. And yeah enjoy le soleil.. straw hat and cigar in hand??
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              • APBmary c
                What are you inferring mary?....actually it looks like the early frames of that video were shot in Brighton...the white buildings there...they got arrested there after a concert...and then released without charges...as did I (but at different times) happy days!!
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              • APBmary c
                if you think that's appropriate
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              • justsaw this now..weird i think rewardia don't always notify. just watching a vid on YT on woodstock '99- and how it ended very badly with the crowds setting fires, looting etc. Drugs booze n music what could go wrong?!
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              • APBmary c
                I didn't get that last part...you want to take another run at it?
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            • My GP had me take a Vitamin D test many years ago and to everyone's surprise I had a vitamin D deficiency despite walking in the sunshine every day. I now take one vitamin D tablet 3 times a week and no longer seem to have the problem. In all honesty I haven't found they have made a difference to anything but who knows what would have happened if the deficiency had gotten worse.
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              • Sorry to here that you do not like the sun I love the sun wish it did not burn though wish there was more good people and I was a good person money is short so I hope there is some good things out there life would be good some times if people would be nice
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                • natural from the sun, stay in doors like a recluse and you need it in tablet form , so sad.
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                  • I have multiple sclerosis and my vitamin D was low, while at a laser acupuncturist he told me 10,000mg once a month would be sufficient due to me going out in sun with fair skin, I burn.
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                    • With the constant wet recently, I make sure every time we do get sun I walk out and get a dose to carry me through. Never have thought it necessary to take Vitamin D pills.
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                      • I take tablets every once and a while because I avoid the sun though I've never been diagnosed with deficiency. Tablets are preferable and ideally cholecalciferol or D3 (better absorbed) because you need a minimum UVB Index of 3 or higher before your body can produce Vitamin D, which is not the case here in NZ at this time of the year so no point baking in the sun for now. I think in Winter in NZ the max UVB level is 1-2 so no chance of getting any vitamin D. A lot of people don't know about latitudes and UVB levels throughout the year so it pays to check local weather info before going out and damaging skin for no reason.
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                        • Vitamin D is a fat-soluble vitamin produced in our body that has long been known to help the body absorb and retain calcium and phosphorus; both are critical for building bone. Also, laboratory studies show that vitamin D can reduce cancer cell growth, help control infections and reduce inflammation.
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                          • Being an Indian, I take 1 tablet a month.
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                            • One a month hardly seems worth taking. Do you live somewhere where there is lots of sun.
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                            • Farmgirl22Elizabeth J 447888
                              no live in New Zealand, my GP said just take one, I been on it for two years after I got a very sore neck, no problems now with neck,
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                          • I'm D-deficient, as most Aussies are. I take 1 Ostelin per day and I can feel the difference if I miss it
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                            • You certainly need your vitamin D But I would be avoiding the sun between 10 & 3 up here in Qld As you get older you need more vitamin D. Check with your G. P.
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                              • I totally believe most people don't get enough Vitamin D. Not all Vitamin D's are equal. I take Vitamin D3 with K2 (to help with absorption). I take about 3,000 iu's per day.
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                                • theres not enough sun in winter. still need vitamin D.
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                                  • It is also possibly effective against current Covid strains to a certain extent...I've certainly dodged a bullet in the last couple of weeks....
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                                    • I DONT REALLY KNOW,
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                                      • I would say if you are going to get Vit D from the sun do it in the early morning when the sun isn't as harsh. I do have vid D gummies because whenever I go out in any season I wear sunscreen to protect. Even the winter sun can do damage to your skin. Vit D does help absorb calcium for our bones and helps reduce inflammation so if you have gout then getting enough Vid D certainly could have attributed to you getting better. This is assuming that you were also deficient, if you had healthy levels then maybe something else in your diet that was anti-inflammatory helped you :)
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                                        • I used to wear a net over my hat for the flies (in summer only now) and I wear long sleeves in winter because of the cold. I was staying indoors for long periods of time and when I had a check up the GP I saw said I was lacking vitamin D. I stupidly asked where do you get that from and the answer was the sun. I took a course of vitamin D and I make sure I get a few minutes of sun especially in winter. We all need vitamin D.
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                                          • My cousin does night shift in the UK as a Nurse and very rarely gets any sun exposure. She had a fall in the Ward and could not get up again all of which was a direct result of virtually no Vitamin D in her body. I on the other hand have had quite a few Skin Cancers removed so I have to be careful but just driving around to work exposes me to enough sunlight not to have to worry about being low in Vitamin D though Potassium is a completely different story.
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                                            • We do need to be tested to get the dose just right.
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                                            • Colin L 88398Elizabeth J 447888
                                              Unfortunately for me because my GP knows of my dislike of bits of Stainless Steel being poked into me he orders blood tests in what feels like every second week which he claims are only once every two months. He keeps claiming I need to be FAST so I show him speeding tickets but he claims that are not what he meant. Just like another Drug he prescribed this week the destructions say take one when Mourning. Not sure what he knows that I don't but it raises a lot more questions for me than it answers. Like for instance who am I mourning and for how long?
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                                          • Everything in moderation
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                                            • Necessary vitamin
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                                              • I've got Irish heritage & a strong family history of skin cancer. You should avoid the sun between 10-3pm! I can't bear the feel of sunlight on my skin. I was diagnosed with a vitamin D deficiency in a blood test. Regular testing shows I need 2 Vitamin D tablets daily to keep me within the healthy range. I wouldn't recommend self-diagnosis or taking supplements without your GP's recommendation.
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                                              • yes - it was recommended by a GP
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                                                • Regular specific/complete blood tests should be done at least twice a year in accord with our age. Governments regulate how often we are covered under the Government Health System and they should stay out of it. The way our food is produced now has depleted us in minerals and vitamins. When taking supplements one should always consult their GP and and an Allied health professional eg naturopath, one who is registered. I have been told that Cancer occurs when Vitamin D level is between 10-40. Therefore the level should always be >40mg/ml. There is a liquid form of Vitamin D which works quicker than tablets if you are really deficient. Never take supplements without consulting the health professionals and someone you trust. Google is not always right!!
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                                                  • Multi Vitamins containing vitamin D is good enough?
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                                                    • Just get a review of your blood tests to see what you are low in. Everybody is different. Being in the sun is a natural boost of vitamin D. I know myself I suffer from low vitamin D so I get a boost from my Dr.
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                                                      • Many take Vit D tablets, however time in the sun each day much better way
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                                                        • My wife takes vitamin D tablets once a month and it has been good for her.
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                                                          • I love to sit out in the winter sun and enjoy the natural warmth of it for a little while in the morning.
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                                                            • Sunshine and a cold beer cures all for me!
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                                                              • All at the same time with a Dagwood sandwich….lol
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                                                            • Vitamin D is essential for your well being and a supplement is required if you are low in this Vitamin
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                                                              • If blood tests say that I amm lacking vitamin D I would take it. I am guilty of having too much sun!
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                                                                • I really don’t know because I don’t lay down in the sun for I trying to avoid the sun as much as possible
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                                                                  • What works for some, doesn't for others. be very careful about taking supplements. If you are on Prescription medicines talk with your GP before self-administering these non-prescription meds which sound great BUT, and it is a very big "but", when combined with other medicines there can be nasty side-effects which can result in you getting really very ill. Interesting and concerning that Elizabeth J says a friend got a call from the pathology company telling them they were dangerously low in Vitamin D. This is very, very unusual for the Pathology Report goes to the GP and it is for the GP to contact their patient who will advise them of any needs and she/he will make sure that what they prescribe - yes, even non-prescription meds -do not interact adversely with any medication their patient is already on. The person whose blood has been tested is Not a patient of the Pathology Company. Just remember that self-diagnosis and subsequent self-medicating can be extremely dangerous. Checking the Internet for possible problems and Diagnosis? This is often totally inaccurate, give diagnoses which are completely wrong and offer treatments which may also do more harm than good. It may be free but the cost later could be enormous and you probably have no recourse to litigation if it results in permanent damage.
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                                                                    • Very wise words Romac. It really was very strange for a pathology to make a call such as my friend received.
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                                                                  • I take vitamin D and E every 2nd day in winter. Yes they have known for years that sun and fresh air heals. Even during the 1918/20 "Spanish flu" similar to Covid, they found to move patients outside in the sun and fresh helped healing, as it does for so many ailments.[Many of the first Covid deaths had low Vit D levels} Hence for depression they suggest going for walks. As you say Elizabeth J short time in the sun outside "peak times" helps the Vit D with no issue of melanoma/skin cancer.
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                                                                    • can you get vitamin D from food
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                                                                      • Yes, but not in sufficient amounts - salmon, eggs, cheese, beef, mushrooms or so I have been lead to believe. I am no expert. It is best to check in with a medical professional.
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                                                                    • Thank you Elizabeth J for the information. I had always thought that being out in the sun we could get plenty of vitamin D. I have Type 1 Diabetes and Depression which I struggle with, now I'm getting older the Diabetes is starting to catch up with me, nerve damage in eyes and feet. B vitamins seem to give me a little energy lift. Perhaps the vitamin D could help a little.
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                                                                      • Keep in regular contact with a good diabetes nurse educator Karen. They do a wonderful job. It is a constant battle keeping on top of it. I type for diabetic specialists. I always remember one of them used to tell her patients to take a 15 minute walk after the main meal of the day. It did seem to work for me. Not sure where you are located but if it happens to be in Australia the continuous glucose monitors are now funded under the NDSS.
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                                                                    • I am on Vit. D. Have been for many years.
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                                                                      • I take 1000 mg Vit D daily. Have done this since the pandemic started.
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                                                                        • I must buy some Vitamin D tablets today. They sound like something I really need now. Thanks for the information.
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                                                                          • The rays of the sun help with my psoriasis, not too long in the sun though.
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                                                                            • Have you heard of the special "Baths" or springs etc they have in Turkey and when you lay down in them there are little fish, they've named the "Doctor Fish", who come of and nibble at the scars and clear away all the dead/dry skin ... people have been cured of their psoriasis ... not sure how long the cure lasts and I think they probably need to upkeep the treatment ... wonder if there are such springs here in Australia or may New Zealand as they seem to have hot springs .. just thought would pass on this information to you to follow up if you want .. all the best mb.
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                                                                            • Joanne R 561977Maria B 89860
                                                                              have had the little fish nibble my feet and legs, but not sure if I would want them on my face. Would be good to have them in Australia or NZ, as it didnt last that long, before dead skin was back.
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                                                                            • Maria B 89860Joanne R 561977
                                                                              There was also a mum on the news a while ago who had made her own "cream mixture" she uses to treat her son's eczema and it works, I think it is on sale as well but can't remember if it's in stores anywhere, or if it may help you.
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                                                                          • Take K vitamin with D, it helps the absorption. Of course, do ask expert advice on that.
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                                                                            • eat right and get some sun, sunscreen a must
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                                                                              • I thought I was in good health I went to see my primary doctor and she told me that I was low in vitamin D and prescribe me some. If I didn't keep my doctor appointment i wouldn't have known about Vitamin D low count.
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                                                                                • have you ever thanked the sun for shinning
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                                                                                  • well done, yes im thanks to the sun for shinning and dance in the rain
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                                                                                • I just tested low for Vit D deficiency so I am taking one a day along with my Vit C. Maybe it will help my nighttime leg cramps.
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                                                                                  • Magnesium is good for leg cramps too
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                                                                                  • Ann D 726256just me- NZ
                                                                                    Thank you. I will look into foods with magnesium
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                                                                                  • just me- NZAnn D 726256
                                                                                    also maybe try a Magnesium vitamin from the health shop, worth a try. Leg cramps are awfull! When I was young my doctor gave me Iodine pills, but that was years ago. It did help though. Ask your doctor what they think about that.
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                                                                                • I try to eat right but I still take a multi vitamin, magnesium, extra vitamin C and Co Q10 so no more muscle spasms after being on my feet for hours on concrete doing volunteer work. I tried to take Vitamin D but was getting chest pains so I stopped taking it and try to drink more almond or cashew milk and cheddar cheese.
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                                                                                  • I need Vitamin D for my muscles and depression.
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                                                                                    • I am Black (not any type of cancer runs in my biological family - but it has been over 58 years (and counting), since I have seen anyone in my biological family. I go to the beach only on overcast days and in the winter (anyway what passes for winter in Sunny Southern California :-)). My diet (I am a vegetarian) is under constant supervision by a licensed, certified, and registered dietitian/nutritionist. She works in a hospital (no hidden agenda(s) on her part. I see my dietitian/nutritionist - by online appointments (due to covid19) - every two months. Anyway. I have definitely been eating healthy (and I have been eating healthy for decades). I have an "ectomorph" body type and combined with being "old" - my General Practitioner (Medical Doctor) prescribed Vitamin D and Calcium (in one pill) for me - which I take twice a day - and I have been taking this particular medication for 16 years (and counting)! Growing old is definitely not for the "faint of heart" :-) as heath issues are constantly popping up as you grow older. Still, I enjoy being above ground instead of being planted in the ground :-)!
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                                                                                      • Yes, I definitely believe vitamin d3 is a miracle. I was having numbing in my feet and went to numerous doctors and nerve tests. They did nothing so I researched on my own and since taking vitamin d3 no more numbing feeling!
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                                                                                        • It very well could be due to lack of vitamin D. And it used to be that you could get enough of the vitamin from being in the sun, but it doesn't work that way much anymore. Not to say that some can't get it from the sun, but I have just known too many cases of people that actually worked in the sun all day and still had low levels of Vitamin D. I have issues with keeping my levels up and yes, I do take a supplement. Unfortunately, most doctors or websites will tell you to go by the recommended daily allowance when it comes to vitamins and with the soil being depleted of nutrition along with most people eating processed foods we are even lower than we should be. I learned all of this when I was suffering with fibromyalgia and meds weren't helping. I finally got a book and the doctor pretty much said it's many things because of toxins, yeast overgrowth, allergies, lack of vitamin, leaky gut, etc. So, it took me quite awhile to heal myself. That was also how I learned I had a dairy allergy. No, Vitamin D isn't a miracle drug, but it makes a hormone our bodies need to survive and that's why it can do such harm when you are low. And vitamin D isn't the only vitamin most are low in. I can say from my own experience I was low in vitamin D, all the B vitamins, vitamins C and E, Magnesium and Calcium along with amino acids and that was because my body wasn't allowing me to absorb much of any food I ate. Not that I was able to eat much.
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                                                                                          • im on vitamin D 50,000
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                                                                                            • its not all that
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                                                                                              • Knowledge for me this article was thank you
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                                                                                                • My bed ridden son has a vitamin D tablet once a month prescribed by our Doctor, because he does not see any sun light out doors. Totally agree with the benefits.
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                                                                                                  • My husband's doctor prescribes him a vit d tab 1x month too- he is tetraplegic- spends most of his time in bed. How is your sondoing if you don't mind me asking? i'm the Hutt valley gal :) (but born and raised in Chch)
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                                                                                                  • Hi Mary, hes doing ok thank you. How about your husband ???
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